that's what charlie evans is saying, in effect, they are seeing into the future, they say, and improving the future, but before it can come to pass. d tt succeeding. >> i think 34 -- if you're going to measure a yardstick in another realm, it is 34.3, isn't it? >> no, it's 36. >> it's relativity. length contraction time -- >> that's part of the problem. that's part of the problem. >> you've heard of length contraction and time dilation, right? >> we should talk in simple terms, joe. >> not general relativity. but einstein made a fortune in physics. so you're saying that -- i mean at 8%, you're not feeling the pain of all these people that are out of work. and we've got no fiscal solutions, we've got a deadlocked congress, congress can't do anything, they're the only game in town. that's got to help. >> empathy is not the way forward. the way forward is to think through the problem. >> it is staggering that they think they need to make -- >> they have an atlas complex, which is not helping. >> they should be shrugging. >> it's hindering. >> ben bernanke sets up as the world's leading auth